I'm sorry. DA can give it the rationale it wants until they're blue in the face, but -I- as creator and artist have final say on how my work gets shown and shared. And it will not be by letting anyone that feels like re-post it with the click of a button wherever they feel like it.
My art is part of my image, and my creations are MINE.
So, mini rant aside- how DO you disable the Share functions? Because otherwise I'm taking all my work off. Enough of all the BS they keep slipping us...
You don't get it at all. This is not a reposting function, it's a hyperlinking function. What it shares is a link to your deviation page, not your deviation itself. And I'm sorry to say, you have no say over people linking to your work, with or without these buttons. That's something we give up control of the moment we post something online.
Mana, I think you know me well enough to know the above post was not an attack on anyone. I actually had the same discussion with my husband last night on the topic - because he doesn't get why it would upset me to have the buttons there - when, in effect ( as you say ) people can do it easily enough without them.
The thing, for -me- ... is that I don't put up my art for exposure and there are plenty of places my work has turned out ( hotlinked) where I don't want it to be. Not because of art theft say - but because there are spheres of my life I keep separate and others I would rather keep private.
Its the same thing as say, friends locked LJ entries.
Hey if it were my company - I'm with you. Pimp it to death, because it WILL drive traffic to the source; but it isn't, there are personal expressions that I wish to retain certain control ( however illusory) of.
I can definitely see how some people would love it and benefit from it. I'm not, personally, fond of it in any way; I'm not bringing pitchforks, but I -would- like the option to turn it off if that is my preference.
It could just be that DA isn't the place for me and my work anymore, simple as that - but I have loved the people and the community, which makes me so reluctant to just leave.
I get you on the separate spheres thing, I don't promote my dA page either as I don't want people to end up here (I prefer them to find my website), but it's really not the same as friends locked LJ entries. It's much more like stepping behind a rock for a leak and hoping nobody comes up from the other side If something's up on dA, then your privacy depends on the chance that nobody will stumble on them and decide to share them. That chance has not changed at all. For someone to use the buttons in the first place they have to stumble upon your work, so if you're not actively promoting your work, how is that supposed to affect you? As far as I'm concerned this is a complete statu quo – just a niftier way to do something that was already done. What I wish is that people who dislike it would be honest enough to say "It's just me, but I don't like having them" as opposed to "dA is always out to get us and this really screws us over and it's our right to decide what to do with our art" which is not the real issue in the least. You've been mild, but you should try reading through the responses to $chix0r's journal. Or don't. They'll make you nauseous.
No one is arguing that people don't "share" art without the artist's permission. We're not stupid and we're not naive. What we are is PISSED that the website we have chosen to share our art with is now taking the decision out of our hands without our input or our consent and also telling us we should be grateful about it at the same time. The fact they are putting an opt-out in the works now doesn't change that fact.
What decision exactly? Whether someone links to your work or not was never your, or the site's, decision to make. What the site does with itself isn't up to you, either, not in any shape or form – and you should be grateful staff actually tries to accommodate everyone. Truth is, your sense of entitlement is too big for your britches. If you're neither stupid nor naive, then you're spoiled rotten. Grow up and move on.
I have moved on- a long time ago actually when I made the decision to take my art off this site because of their decisions that I don't agree with. How exactly is wanting my decisions not made for me being spoiled? How is it ungrateful that I don't want people on those sites having easier access to my images? How is it spoiled that I don't want to participate in supporting their functions even nominally? THAT'S what DA is doing. It's taking that decision out of my hands with my art- if I kept it here.
I realize that it is pointless to keep replying to you- you think I'm being spoiled and I think that people who treat others like they are such for voicing their concerns are selfish and unkind.
Yes it is pointless, because I'm not going to see things through that "I am so wronged" filter of yours. If you don't agree with the site then taking your work off it is the best thing you can do and I respect that. But then I don't get why you're sticking around throwing your "we're PISSED" around in that ridiculously inflated tone of indignation. I for one am not impressed by this rampant lack of perspective.
Because my friends are still here and I am supporting them. Uneide made the original post and granted I should've let her respond to your comment first but I did not like your tone. And you know what- she is pissed at this. Same as other people, and it is hard not to get your back up when people continually treat you like a 'spoiled brat' for going 'wait, I did not ask for this and I'm being told it's good for me so shut up and be grateful'.
This might be wonderful for you, but don't you dare condescend to tell other people how they should react. I'll stop talking now because you're quite right, it's not 'my business anymore' but I was the one who told her about this little feature so she could be aware of what was being done with her art.
All the propaganda is what gets me. Not having "share" didn't hurt me in the past and I seriously doubt turning it off will hurt me now. I think it's a great feature for some people. SOME people. Deviantart can't possible know whats good for everyone though and pretending that it does is kind of insulting. I don't understand what the big issue is about letting us turn it off if we want to. The people who are going to respectfully post links back to pieces they like instead of hyperlinking or reposting in other ways aren't going to turn into slobbering monster "art thieves" because they can't find the "share on twitter" icon. Conversely, the people who ARE inclined towards theft aren't going to change because they can use the share function. I'm sure there are possible exceptions to the last one, but art theft and other copyright infringement isn't about showing someone else's work, it's about taking it.
The issues are technical – options means bugs – but the opt-out is going to be enabled anyway, so that's rather moot isn't it? I'm not sure which propaganda you're referring to, but you should be aware the journals you've been seeing only came up in response to people bringing out their pitchforks when the buttons showed up. There's no doing right with this community. The staff is quiet, they get burned in effigy; they respond, they also get burned in effigy.
Well I mean the reality is that when you get a big group of people together you can't expect to please them all. Your best bet is always making extras optional. After you take away everything else, DA is a company and gallery space is their product. Portfolios and print accounts and the share feature are additional and not everyone is going to need or want them. This is a customer service issue, and all the personal attacks from both sides are just ridiculous.
When I talk about propaganda I'm talking about things like this [link] and this [link] There's providing the pros of a new service and then there's enhancing the truth and exaggerating the danger to make it seem necessary.
The lack of communication is definitely an issue. Most people don't really care about the politics of the site, and I'm sure that if it had been announced formally in a professional manner with the option to opt-out there wouldn't have been as big an uproar. As is, not a lot of people know what's going on and the only real information on it is a brief FAQ entry that ends with something like "Share cannot be disabled" and a whole lot of journals that essentially call anyone who doesn't want it stupid. That in and of itself isn't going to win any votes of confidence (I admit, I over reacted a bit when I first read all that). There would of course have been people who got up in arms if it had been presented more openly and politely. There will of course be bugs with new features. These are realities of running a site like this and I'm sure the staff knows this. That's why I'm so confused about how angry and condescending the staff is getting over this when I feel it should have been obvious that they were going about it in a way that guaranteed the most negative response. Share this *IS* a good idea for *SOME* people. They should have let those people have it and the rest of us be happy with the features we like to use.
I think it's great that an opt-out option is in the works. When is it going to be offered and will there be an announcement?
"Just because its not something I would not choose to have doesn't mean I'm a ludite and all that.. <3"
Yes yes indeed :3.
Sorry for hijacking the thread xD I just wanted a chance to talk to someone who knew a little more about it and get my thoughts organized on the subject. I'm trying to be careful not to seem patronizing or angry because that is definitely not the case.
"...but then I'm an internet hermit."
hehe me too, me too. That may be why I'm so resistant to the idea. It's not that I don't want people to see, just that I don't feel comfortable being advertised
Frankly, the staff is hurt. I don't think there should have been all these journals, and I think the technical problems caused by an opt-out should have been explicited, but if you'd seen all the shit and thanklessness they've been dealing with, you wouldn't be confused as to why they're cracking and responding not as staff members but as people on whom all the negativity is focused. I don't know, it's up to the programmers, but generally it doesn't take them very long to make tweaks.
Hey I don't get why members are taking it so personally either. I understand anger at having something forced on us, but like I said before it's an issue with customer service and not a slap in the face. Treating it as such is really immature and the unprofessional attitude of the staff is just irritating things.